Mountainbiker vs Snowboarder - The Story

by Mike Dutton
Dec 28, 2011 at 19:01

Over 15 million people have now watched Freerider Andi Brewi's incredible race against World Champion Snowboarder Gian Simmen. I thought it might be fun to give everyone a bit of an inside look into what it took to pull off an event like this, and the rider that made it happen. See the full video below!

When Spank Industries Pro Freerider Andi Brewi contacted me some time ago, and told me he had challenged Gian Simmen, a two time World Champion and Olympic gold medalist snowboarder, to a DH Race on the snow covered slopes of Ischgl Tirol Austria, I thought perhaps that last concussion maybe did a little more damage than he was admitting. Then, when he upped the anti and offered to do it LIVE in front of 15 million viewers on Germany's most popular TV show, Wetten Dass...?, we started to worry maybe he had just gone a little mad.

If you've ever met Brewi, you know he isn't the type to do anything half way. The thought of Andi pushing himself past the limits, at an estimated 90+ km/hr, on a track better suited for ice skates, actually started to scare us a bit. But, Andi is a confidence inspiring individual, and after hearing more about his well detailed plans, we couldn't resist being a part of history in the making.

It wasn't easy putting something like this together. Recently on the same show, a contestant paralyzed himself attempting to jump over a line of cars, and needless to say the producers were more than a little nervous about getting back into bed with another extreme sports character...especially one ranting about hitting 25m snow jumps on a bike at highway speeds. Andi actually had to prove himself off camera on the big Free-ski kickers at the Hintertux glacier in Austria before he got the green light to compete on the show's season finale hosted by Germany's most famous entertainer, Thomas Gottschalk.

Well...as they say, "If you've gotta go...might as well go out with a bang!"


Due to the bad snow conditions, park builder Klaus Marco only start building 2 weeks before the show. The first time Andi actually got to test pilot the track, it was just over a week before the show. It was really tough for everyone to build and maintain a course that was not only fast enough for the massive jumps, but also fair for both bikes and boards, and calm enough not to scare off the TV crew. In Andi's own words though, "I was happy my opponent Gian Simmen was pretty much the best guy ever to work with. We wanted the course to work perfectly for both of us and have a fair race. Klaus Marco, his shapers and the whole Crew of Ischgl supported us super well and we had a course that was amazing to ride! The responsible people working for the German TV channel ZDF were a little worried about the speeds we were riding and distances we were jumping, but after they watched us practicing and hanging out together they were happy to see us as a team and tried to set up the cameras the way it looks less dangerous."


On the day of the big event, mother nature did her best to put everyone on edge. After praying for snow for weeks, it came at the worst possible time, and with the snow came wind. It was all that Andi and Gian could do to get a few practice runs in, and the fresh snow made conditions unpredictable and dangerous. Luckily about two hours before start time, the weather ceased, and builders got to work on removing loose snow. After a brief meeting between riders and crew, they agreed to concentrate mainly on the snowboard line as loose conditions actually started to favor the bike. Just in time for the 6000+ spectators that turned out to watch the race, and the millions tuned in to see it live on TV...it was on!


bigquotesThe countdown started and I was really focused. Four jumps before the finish line I was pretty much head to head with Gian, which had never happened in practice, so I knew I could win it if I kept my speed. The long straight at the end was definitely to my advantage, because I could pedal and the new snow wasn't the best for the snowboard. I finished just 0.64 sec. in front of Gian! The crowd, including my family and friends, went crazy on the mountain and the party continued late into the night in downtown Ischgl - Andi Brewi



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109 Comments

  • + 38
flag locsled (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:52)
 The biker jumped the gate, pedaled down the start and the finish was definetly made for him. Without those 3 things it wouldn't have even been close. Having said all that, it was still pretty cool to see the biker hold his own in the soft stuff. I wonder if it was icy would the biker have been much faster?
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flag stinky-deluxe-smith (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:04)
 it was less thn a second between them even though he had all these advantages, so he probably wouldnt have won without them
but idk the mtb won Big Grin and thats all that matters Razz
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flag dvp8 (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:14)
 so you're not allowed to pedal on a bicycle..
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flag poozank (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:25)
 the rider wasnt even pinning it the whole time.
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flag stevecabrera (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:33)
 and he had the outside line on the only turn in the course
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flag Trekbiker2 (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:43)
 Just because the biker made it out of the gate faster than the snowboarder did doesn't mean that he jumped the gate.
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flag bikerguy222 (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:52)
 He didn't jump the gate, he had a good start. U can see the line painted in the snow that you had to stay behind before the beep. He was behind it until it beeped. Its completely fair that the biker should be able to pedal because he's got tires that slow him down. The snowboard will go much faster than the bike, since it's in its intended environment, the snow. The only thing I don't agree with was that ending. The flat part rigged it. Really cool race though it was close!!
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flag DHnewboy (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:29)
 Okay, now lets see a snow boarder on a DH track!
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flag stinky-deluxe-smith (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:53)
 imagine a rock garden Wink
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flag JaseZ (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:14)
 the biker only won by a little over half a second, wouldn't say it was rigged...
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flag campofchampions Plus (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:15)
 Oh man, Don't bring Palmer out of retirement, we know how that ended last time....
Palmer FTW.
Ken
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flag hobblyjig (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:39)
 Turns out that in the practice runs the boarder won. But a little fresh snow before the race run changed it up.
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flag VTwintips (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:42)
 Sand Dune redemption race?
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flag mnorris122 (Dec 29, 2011 at 19:38)
 We can pedal. They can't. Nuff said
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flag andrewdionne (Dec 29, 2011 at 21:51)
 Agreed.
" the biker should be able to pedal because he's got tires" ???? Wrong...
the biker should be able to pedal because he can.
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flag dcm6861 (Dec 29, 2011 at 22:53)
 Having the fresh snowfall won it for the biker.. if it was icy the board would have been quite a bit faster and carried way more speed on the flat. Looks to me like they tried to balance things out, that they anticipated the board to be a little faster on hardpack. I think people are overlooking the conditions for the biker... I'm pretty sure he had to work much harder then the boarder to keep his speed up... ever try pedaling with snowpants and a coat on? His kit probably wasn't very heavy but if you noticed he was putting in pedal strokes throughout most of the track. He deserves more credit for a well earned win. I do like the idea of having some sort of rhythm section at the end but you know the boarder would have been a long ways ahead if it were icy. Looked pretty fair and balanced to me considering there were no tricky lines or obstacles besides the jumps.
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flag Dhracer97 (Dec 29, 2011 at 23:35)
 Lot of effort in that comment +1
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flag freeride-mtb (Dec 30, 2011 at 3:37) (Below Threshold) show comment
 I bet if we took away the snow the mtber would win much more convincingly! Razz
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flag johnny-compton (Dec 31, 2011 at 10:14)
 no shit..
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flag BobbyHannant (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:31)
 Bikes are great.
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flag mtbdwnhill (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:46)
 so are snowboards!
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flag BobbyHannant (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:53)
 I'm a skier! But bikes come first! I guess snowboards are ok. Just not as great as bikes. 0.64 Seconds less great than bikes.
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flag mtbdwnhill (Dec 29, 2011 at 16:44)
 Yeah I agree bikes are awesome. But for me, snowboards come first in winter and bikes come first in summer Smile.
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flag EpicNovice (Dec 30, 2011 at 16:23)
 @mtbdwnhill finally some one who makes sense!
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flag scotty1212 (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:57)
 its kinda stupid saying no pedaling. That's like saying the snowboarder cant crouch to be more aerodynamic. As far as I'm concerned, it was a great race!
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flag ezekiel (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:24) (Below Threshold) show comment
 Crouching is something they can both do, however pedalling is not.
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flag EpicNovice (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:49)
 its not the pedaling that the issue its the flat part at the end, the biker still has a mode of acceleration/speed maintenance however once you take away the incline you, you take away the boarders speed that's why everyone been bitching about the pedaling.
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flag GVSz (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:27)
 Take it this way, the race is a bike vs a snowboard. Bikes can pedal, snowboards can't. If the biker wasn't allowed to pedal, it'd defeat the purpose of the race.
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flag guy38 (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:06)
 in a way the flat bit at the end was fair, it shows how each would do in different terrain of the snow, Hence the purpose of the race, if the track was just steep the whole way down there wouldn't be much point to it.
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flag scotty1212 (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:34)
 If you can crouch on a bike, koodo's to you, as far as im concerned, I can duck. A snowboarder can crouch anytime he wants and he changes his aerodynamics all the time. Bikers are limited obviously to how aerodynamic they can be. Pedaling or not, we're not the ones who designed and coordinated the race. If I was the one that planned the race, the flat part was probably put there because, if I were them, I would have figured the snowboarder would have a sleight advantage because of less friction to the snow and being more aerodynamic so the flat part would be the bikers comeback, but clearly, it was back and forth and the biker prevailed.
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flag KennyKillsIt (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:37)
 Im all for the bike, but that was so cheap!
That flat out section at the bottom was set up perfect for a guy with gears
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flag TomCozens (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:52)
 true but it is on snow and ice so it kind of counters that out
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flag ebehn (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:33)
 So if it were on dirt and rocks but nice and steep it would be fair?
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flag KennyKillsIt (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:35)
 No not what I'm saying, I was saying that the end flat part really decided it because you just see the boarder loose all his speed.
I thought the final jump was the finish, when the flat bit came it was all over.
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flag EpicNovice (Dec 30, 2011 at 16:26)
 Even Andi Brewi (biker) admitted that it was the flat part that gave him the win.
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flag TomCozens (Dec 31, 2011 at 14:55)
 Tbh i dont think they expected him to be that fast so put in a handycap which he probably didnt need.
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flag EpicNovice (Jan 2, 2012 at 19:22)
 no i think he needed it
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flag neimbc (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57)
 Seeing as the snowboarder has no means of propelling himself other than tucking (and a biker can do that) I honestly think, that the mountain biker held back a bit to make it a more even race. Now if this was a steeper run top to bottom - the boarder most likely would have had the biker eating his powder. Entertaining though it was - should have been one of those fancy sno-bike contraptions against the boarder.
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flag TieMyShoe (Dec 30, 2011 at 10:10)
 I don't see how anything was rigged... the track was designed to allow for a close finish between the board and the bike.. it woulda been boring if the board was 2 min ahead of the bike or vice versa. The designers would have added in what needed to be added in for a close race. You could have called it rigged if the whole track was flat and the boarder had to scooter along... but the end outcome could have gone either way with the layout they made. Thats not rigged.
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flag eulis (Dec 31, 2011 at 15:00)
 if you notice, on the last little hill, the mountain biker was ahead and it wasn't until half way through the flat the snowboarder started catching up again, so all though the last flat was made for the biker, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Smile
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  • + 3
flag doubledeuce (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:36)
 .... Is that Karl Lagerfeld sitting on the couch in the studio? LOL (I know I'll get flamed for stating that, but I just don't care. Its an observation).
  • + 2
flag Sysics (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:51)
 Yup it's him. Thomas Gottschalk always do invite famous people on his couch!
  • + 1
flag doubledeuce (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:50)
 Cool, I only read about the program later, and found out that they often invite celebrities to take part in the "panel" or the host table.
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flag bike4christ (Dec 30, 2011 at 16:05)
 Really good race, but whats with all the "boarder would or should have won" comments. The rider only went wide open a few times the entire race. I guarentee you if it was a pro level DH racer in his place the gap would have been a bit wider.
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  • + 2
flag kinglingping (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:16)
 Nearly all sports are fixed in some way and your fooling yourself if you think they ain't.
But that long straight was blatantly fixed for the biker to win
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  • + 4
flag swearmouth (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:36)
 A skier would have utterly killed them both.
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flag benhope (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:50) (Below Threshold) show comment
 skieing is gay
  • + 11
flag swearmouth (Dec 29, 2011 at 21:47)
 People who can't spell are even more gay.
  • - 1
flag jakemonk (Dec 30, 2011 at 9:31)
 Skiing isn't gay. It's just slightly less cool than boarding. It's still sweet
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flag benhope (Dec 30, 2011 at 21:58) (Below Threshold) show comment
 swearmouth shut up you prob suck anyway lolol
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flag swearmouth (Dec 30, 2011 at 22:18)
 I ski raced for 8 years and now coach, so I'm quite skilled in that regard. And I'm a half decent cyclist, not going to pretend that I'm amazing though. And its pretty much a fact that a skier would have beaten them, skiing is significantly faster than boarding and you can skate on the flats which helps make up for the rider's ability to pedal.
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flag matt7 (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:29)
 This is such bullshit. runs were timed before hand anyway so they knew it would be a close race......to make good tv. OBVIOUSLY!
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flag coolmann (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:26)
 So amazing! )
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flag rubbman (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:24)
 That was pretty cool! Now do the same race for points and add flips for style!
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flag wildwood (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:15)
 I'd like to see a mtb vs. skier race since the skier could skate the pedaling sections.
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flag bigalscrap (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:15)
 come on people....i love my bikes and boards but...THAT WAS AWESOME...they both won and so did we
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flag T1mb0 (Dec 29, 2011 at 22:55)
 There's a reason why MTB was dropped from the winter X games...Wink
And watching this just brought it all back
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flag xeispen (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:47)
 that was a pointless race
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flag mtbartek (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:15)
 It was known that on this last line is the flat had no chance of snowboarding
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flag shockabahala Plus (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:39)
 I'll probably get torn apart for saying this but that last course catered more towards biking.
  • - 1
flag jamesrusby (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:57)
 True, and the steeper inclines to a flat board Big Grin
  • + 4
flag betsie Plus (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:53)
 Would agree if it was on dirt!
If the rider was Danny Hart, would it be 0.64s or 12.64s? Smile
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  • + 2
flag mozz (Dec 29, 2011 at 12:39)
 The only way of making this track fair would be to have a load of pump bumps in the end section for both....
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flag MrJackDeluxe (Dec 29, 2011 at 23:13)
 Ok now lets drop the snowboarder in a downhill track!
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  • + 1
flag chrisyzmad (Dec 30, 2011 at 6:17)
 They should rerun it one half been dirt and the other snow think it would of been more fair.
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  • + 1
flag jake-nangle (Dec 30, 2011 at 9:39)
 Just think, the snowboarders advantage was snow, the bikers advantage was peddaling! I think it's fair
  • + 0
flag banshee-ripper (Dec 30, 2011 at 15:33)
 Not to mention the MTB'ers disavantage of pedaling with all that heavy cloathing on...!
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  • + 1
flag banshee-ripper (Dec 30, 2011 at 15:32)
 Man, That was so close! I thought there would be a much bigger lead by who ever won, but it was neck and neck! lol
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flag A1exflobmx (Dec 30, 2011 at 8:00)
 im sure the commentator said the snowboarders infertile at one point ?
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flag Caiokv (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:40)
 A race between a bike and a snowboard, why?
Because we can!
Awesome!!
  • + 1
flag michalwrx (Dec 30, 2011 at 13:24)
 "we can afford it" Smile
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flag izzbomb (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:27)
 Goats don't wear sandles?
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flag Chus8DH (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:34)
 cheater!!!!, without pedaling.....
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flag manchicken (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:35)
 That would defeat the object really. If you race one thing against another, you use all aspects of each to it's advantage.
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flag gabs00 (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:25)
 's not Big Grin

nice!
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flag sinstylerider4 (Dec 30, 2011 at 21:01)
 could hav won by a long shot if he cranked harder and scrubbed. .
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flag sskier (Jan 2, 2012 at 15:25)
 should do it again but with a snow bike.
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flag monstertiki (Dec 31, 2011 at 15:35)
 I'd like to see gee atherton vs shaun palmer in a follow up race.
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flag pasi-voelkel (Dec 30, 2011 at 1:54)
 hast echt gut gemacht andi Wink congrats nochmal!!
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flag warganicc Plus (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:49)
 so ur not allowed to hit the jumps correct on the snowboard?
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flag alkibogdan (Dec 29, 2011 at 19:40)
 haha wie geil, jetzt kann man ZDF sogar bei pinkbike sehen Big Grin
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flag comgeekfever (Dec 30, 2011 at 1:46)
 why the fu kdid i just waste like 4 mins wtf
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flag PHOENiX96 (Dec 29, 2011 at 13:23)
 i watched it live on tv Big Grin
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flag subaig (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:23)
 hahahahahahaha
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flag Greenwood102 (Dec 29, 2011 at 15:20)
 So when does it swap, id like to see this snowboarder hit some real dirt jumps on a 4x track
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flag jefster23 (Dec 29, 2011 at 11:44)
 Biking ruleszzzz !!!!!!
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flag Bikerhasi (Jan 2, 2012 at 13:14)
 Haha very cool
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flag grahamc (Dec 29, 2011 at 14:43)
 A skier would have beaten both of them.
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flag benhope (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:48)
 the only reson the biker on i cuz there was a big flat part at the end
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flag bmxxican (Dec 29, 2011 at 18:13)
 now lets see the snowboard,in summer,going down the dh track...
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flag yelyayan1976 (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:07)
 Based on law of gravity Bike is heavier than the snow board therefore....
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flag swearmouth (Dec 29, 2011 at 17:35)
 all objects accelerate at 9.8m/s^2 minus friction, regardless of their mass.
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flag conv3rt (Dec 29, 2011 at 19:11)
 c'mon man, didn't they have school in 1976.
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flag beaverkeish (Dec 30, 2011 at 12:56)
 BUT. the force of friction is stronger on heavier objects, any friction causes deceleration. + the bikes tyres cause more friction againts the snow, especially powder.
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flag swearmouth (Dec 30, 2011 at 17:54)
 No, the bike has less friction as the coefficient of rolling resistance is almost always less than the coefficient of friction. Also, it doesn't cause deceleration, it just makes the objects accelerate at a lower rate. And while the bike would generate more force and thus more friction against the snow, it only adds roughly 20% of the riders weight which most likely does not outweigh the difference due to rolling instead of sliding.
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flag conv3rt (Dec 30, 2011 at 18:09)
 that was a really intelligent reply from a guy named swearmouth. I would add that the biker's kinetic energy is dissipated by the snow being crushed under the wheel. Think of riding on sand. Also a boarder has no means of locomotion. A rider does. It was pretty darn close all the same and I was entertained so, job well done German TV!
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flag swearmouth (Dec 30, 2011 at 19:17)
 Swearmouth is my first initial and last name haha, but thanks.
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flag conv3rt (Dec 30, 2011 at 20:11)
 well it makes a pretty sweet username. not everyone is so lucky, but you probably already know that.
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flag yelyayan1976 (Dec 30, 2011 at 20:37)
 I was not listening during the discussion about the law of gravity lol, because so many nerds are so good with this as if they really know.:-)
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flag conv3rt (Dec 30, 2011 at 21:05)
 haha, totally. I'm just jealous I wasn't there to see it. I watched a snow bike event in Calgary a couple of years back and it was pretty cool. It was also -30deg C. That part wasn't so great.
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flag beaverkeish (Dec 31, 2011 at 4:19)
 @swearmouth. You sir, are an idiot, of the highest order.
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flag swearmouth (Dec 31, 2011 at 11:55)
 No, you are. If the bike was sliding, then yes, it would experience more friction. However, because it is rolling, it experiences less. Think of it this way; if sliding caused you to experience less friction, when you lock up your brakes you would accelerate at a higher rate than when you let the bike roll freely. The 20% increase in mass the bike provides does not outweigh the increased friction acting upon the boarder because he is sliding instead of rolling.

If you don't understand the physics, don't pretend to, it just makes you look bad.
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flag beaverkeish (Jan 1, 2012 at 4:20)
 read my original comment. then realise how off topic you now are, all i was saying was that the bike is heavier, and because the larger mass of the bike is concentrated on smaller area, This means the energy dissipates from under the wheels, slowing the bike, so the bike is slower on snow than it is on a road. Also, the tyres are designed to create more friction.

All i really was saying is that the designs need to be taken into account, the bike is much heavier, weight generally is proportional to friction. I didn't ever mention rolling. i never mentioned the snowboard.

Every single thing I wrote in my first comment was correct, since i never mentioned rolling, i did partly write it wrong, I shouldve said that Any resistive forces (friction) cause a slower rate of acceleration and when large enough, they cause deceleration , that wouldve been more accurate.

im not saying your wrong, but your going off topic from my post. Also, From my qualifications, I understand the Physics more than you, but lets not get into that.(had to edit my first bit, didnt at all make sense, its too early on new years for this debate)
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flag beaverkeish (Jan 1, 2012 at 4:28)
 AH, i also see you corrected me on the statement i edited anyway.
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